Daniel Stein Is On A Mission to Help Those With Special Needs Become Stronger – Episode 060

LFL 60 | Special Needs


If you’ve seen the viral video of a young man with scoliosis walking for the first time in eight years, you might have also heard of today’s guest. Daniel Stein is a professional personal trainer and the founder of Special Strong, where he helps individuals with disabilities and special needs obtain healthier and happier lives through exercise. He shares his challenges after being diagnosed with ADHD and how his faith helped him overcome his condition and help others as a personal trainer. Daniel also talks about how he helps clients get fit, gain confidence, and develop in all aspects.

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Daniel Stein Is On A Mission to Help Those With Special Needs Become Stronger

Unless you have been living under a social media rock, you have seen the video posted by Daniel Stein showing one of his clients, Brandon, walking for the first time in eight years. It has been viewed over 100 million times. You are going to hear Daniel discuss how his own challenges growing up and his faith in God has led him down the path that he’s on, serving those with special needs as a personal trainer.

Thank you for taking the time to do this, Daniel. I appreciate it. Coming across your feed with Brandon, I believe it was cerebral palsy, correct?

It’s autism.

Watching that video of him walking for the first time was amazing in terms of seeing that. It piqued my interest to reach out to you. First, to connect and second, to ask you to be on the show for that exact reason. I went online and looked on your LinkedIn. You started Special Strong in 2016. What was the decision for you to go into the space that you are in? There are many personal trainers out there that take a more standardized route, whereas you became very specialized. I was wondering if you could speak to that. What was the decision to go in the route that you did in terms of who you serve?

LFL 60 | Special Needs

Special Needs: Never label someone by their condition or by the word “disability”. They may be someone who has autism, but they’re actually overcomers who are overcoming their condition.


A lot of it came from my own struggles and what I was always drawn to. When I was four, I was diagnosed with a learning disability called ADHD. With that diagnosis, came a lot of challenges in school. One of the things that my parents did to help that challenge is they’ve got me active. They’ve got me in sports, football, basketball and soccer. What they found was when I would participate in sports, my behavior and my focus were significantly better afterward. It helped my grades in school. It helped my behavior at home and in school. Naturally, I became very drawn to physical activity because I noticed how much it was helping me and I noticed that it made me feel better. As I’ve got older, I started to get into the anatomy of exercise and want to understand how it all works. I was doing it more as a hobby, something that I enjoyed and something that I was passionate about but I wanted to take it to the next level.

In high school, I started researching, reading documents, reading blogs, doing it on the side. All at the same time, I had this desire in me to maybe make it a profession. The only problem was, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was four. Frankly, I didn’t think that I had what it took to ever get certified. I knew that I was going to have to study and I was going to have to take a hard test. I already had enough of a hard time in school as it was so the thought of having to do all that extra stuff was not appealing to me. As a result, I didn’t pursue it. What ended up happening is I’ve got a great job at a bank. I graduated high school and a couple of years later, I started working at a bank. Around that same time, I started getting mentored by a man named Rob. I had gotten saved and became a Christian in 2009.

In other words, I gave my life over to the Lord in 2009 and Rob starting to mentor me. It was what Rob said to me that caused me to specialize in the special needs population and become a trainer. I will never forget the day. It was November 11th, 2011. It’s easy to remember. It’s all eleven. Rob sat down with me. We always have meetings. We met at Starbucks to stay and he said, “Before we met, I had a vision. Here’s what I saw you doing in the vision.” He began to describe the vision that he said God gave him for me. In this vision, he saw me working with kids that had disabilities. That’s the vision that he shared with me. To be quite honest, I had gotten saved in 2009. I was a new Christian. Frankly, it sounded weird that this man had a vision. I didn’t know that God could speak that way. As a matter of fact, I didn’t even know God still spoke. I thought that the Bible was it and there was nothing outside of the Bible. I didn’t realize that he still spoke to people.

This was all a big learning experience. There was some skepticism when Rob told me this vision. The next day, I go to my mailbox and there’s a magazine addressed to somebody else. It came to my mailbox. It was the first time I’ve ever got a personal trainer magazine sent to my house. I was not the recipient but it came to my apartment mailbox. When I’ve got that magazine, it was confirmation for me. Maybe God did speak to this man and give him an actual vision for what I’m supposed to do. That’s what started my journey. It says, “To become a trainer.” I immediately got certified after that. I was convinced that it was God speaking. If God was speaking to me, I’ve got to do what he says. He had my attention.

The first thing I did was I’ve got certified through a small organization called NFPT. It was an entry-level certification for trainers. I was so excited that I passed the test. Honestly, if I hadn’t had that word from Rob, I would have never pursued this. I would have ended up making a career in banking. They wanted me to become certified to sell investments, stocks and bonds. That was the route that I was going. This is a big curveball to get this vision from Rob. It was truly a game-changer. That’s the short version of how I ended up getting certified and then ultimately deciding to work with this population.

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Daniel, when I hear that story too in terms of your own struggles growing up, you had somebody there that believed in you, that mentor, that gave you the confidence that you can do this. As one of the notes that I had taken, especially with the population that you are dealing with special needs or individuals that have been told quite frequently more times of what they can’t do, as opposed to what they can, that’s something that must be important for you as you first start to deal with these kids, to give them that sense of expectation like, “I don’t care what anybody else has told you before you came to me. You can do this.” I wonder if you can talk to that.

Many people have said that they can’t do certain things. For those of you who have seen the video of Brandon who couldn’t walk for eight years and has been seen by over 100 million people, there’s one thing that Brandon would say to me in the gym all the time. I would say, “Brandon, it’s time to do a new exercise.” Before he ever tried it, he would say, “I can’t.” He would repeat that over and over. The reality is somewhere in his life, he believed the lie. The lie was this, “You will never do this. You will never be able to do this. You can’t do this.” What I have found is that I believed a lot of those lies for myself.

As I shared previously, my own belief was I can’t study to get certified. I believe that. It wasn’t until God gave a man a vision where my potential got unlocked where I was able to get certified and pass the test. I’ve got about 5 or 6 credentials under my belt. All of which, I passed on the first try. Whereas my friends failed when they took the test. Many of my friends took the same test and fail the first time. Here I am, ADHD learning disability didn’t do well in school, thriving all of a sudden. Why? It’s because Rob saw my potential. For the first time, when somebody believed in me, I started to believe in myself.

With Special Strong, that’s exactly what we do for thousands of individuals with different diagnoses and special needs. One thing you will know about our culture is we don’t like the word disability. There are a lot of reasons for that. I entered it from a medical standpoint. I understand the need to use that word. I can respect that. In our culture, we will never label someone by their condition or by the word disability. It’s not something that we do. Even if they have autism, that’s not who they are. They may be someone who has autism but they are overcomers who are overcoming their condition like myself. I may have been diagnosed with ADHD at age four but I’m an overcomer overcoming ADHD as an adult.

As a matter of fact, that’s something that Rob would always tell me. Rob passed away years ago from multiple sclerosis, MS. I’m going to try to not get emotional. It’s very emotional for me to think about it. He would always say this to me, “MS doesn’t have me. I have it.” He died in his wheelchair but until the day he died, he believed in full healing. He would always affirm that the condition didn’t own him, he owned it. That is exactly what we do in our culture with our clients. We see people like Brandon who society says will never walk again and society never believes that he would but that’s not the way we saw him. As a result, he walks again after eight years of sitting in a wheelchair.

The power of expectation is so strong. Even in the work that I do, it’s one of these things that people don’t fully appreciate how much power they have over where they can go because they allow somebody else to dictate where they are going to be able to go by the labels they have had in the past. We know all the research that’s out there. You happened as I would expect as most people that go through this rise above this. They have had other people somewhere along the line said, “That’s not you. Don’t believe that.” For you on top of the individuals that you work with directly, how do you help the parents? That’s another component to this too. I would think that there are limiting beliefs there when they come to you.

We don’t have to do a lot of coaching with the parents. What ends up happening more than anything is the person that we are working with has some kind of incredible transformation. All of a sudden, the parents see something in their own kids that maybe they thought was never possible. Without any kind of coaching, they start to see for themselves and they start to believe on a whole new level. One of the reasons our company offers a free seven-day gym pass to work with our company is because of one of the biggest objections we get. It’s not our price. Here’s what I hear, “I don’t think my kid could do that.” That is the number one objection. I’m using statistics from overworking with 1,000 clients. The number one stat is, “I don’t think he or she, my son or daughter could ever do this program.” We say, “We understand your concern. Try it out for seven days and see for yourself.” All of a sudden, you’ve got these kids who can’t go to a public restaurant for five minutes but yet when they get physical activity, they can stay in a loud, noisy gym for one hour. No coaching is needed for the parents. The kids do all the coaching for us.

Special Needs: You can truly tell is somebody cares about another person just by their body language. You don’t have to use any words.


What was interesting is on your site, you talk about certification. I find it more interesting because we have a good family friend whose son has spina bifida. He’s older than thirteen years old. He’s a rock star. He’s had two dozen surgeries. There’s nothing that seems to deter him. He has parents that are very supportive of this but when I had mentioned to her that I was going to be interviewing you, she went on your site and was very interested in that certification. What does that provide?

The first thing I will say for anyone reading who may be interested in the certification, the disclaimer is you do not have to be a personal trainer to benefit from the certification. Even on the website, one of the things that I put is there’s no fitness experience required. The certification is designed for parents, educators, service providers and also personal trainers. Anyone who wants to add a component of fitness into the life or lives of the special needs population, we are going to teach someone how to do that from the very ground level. Depending on the profession or the career that that person is in, it’s going to look different for everybody.

As an example, if a school RFA behavior therapist takes our certification, they may incorporate it into their own therapy at a different level than a parent who is not a behavior therapist. They may be doing two very different things but they are going to both be able to add components to make it fit their lives. We have had several parents with no fitness experience take our program and have greatly benefited from being able to add very basic exercises that don’t require gym equipment. You can do them at home but there are amazing exercises that are not only good for the body.

We think about exercise as weight loss and muscle. That is the standardized thought about fitness. If I’m going to look into a personal trainer or I’m going to look into fitness, for anybody, I’m going to do it because I either want to lose weight or I want to put on some muscle and feel better. There’s some truth to that but it is unbelievable the amount of data behind exercise and what it does for the brain. I’m reading a book called Spark. It’s a great book. It’s a bestselling book. The whole book is about the brain and exercise. It’s unbelievable how exercise is almost a miracle growth for the brain as the book describes. In other words, new brain cells, neuroplasticity, that the brain is moldable. You take that and it may help people like you, Patrick, maybe have a higher IQ and retain more information. It may help me do the same but you take it with somebody that has special needs that have more imbalances in their brain than you and I. You take that same exercise. You give it to them and it’s life-changing.

We have had clients in our program that didn’t have a job their whole life and then all of a sudden, they go through our program and they get their first job at the age of 30. Why? It’s because their abilities have been enhanced. Remember, they don’t have disabilities. We have just unlocked their abilities through our exercise program. Going back to the certification program, we teach those fundamental basics of how you do exercises that are good for the brain. What if there is a way you could do a jumping jack? We all know what a jumping jack is. What if there is a way to do that where you are crossing over the midline, at the same time you are doing the jumping jack and you have doubled or tripled the efficiency of that exercise for someone with special needs?

When I think of the exercise too, I think of the brain from a standpoint of wellbeing, of stress release. We know all the research that’s out there. There are ones that I cite often in terms of the work that I do when we talk about studies that have been done with patients, that have had major depressive episodes. These are diagnosed depressive episodes. They have done studies where they have combined it with exercise and pharmaco drugs and then exercise plus the drugs. What they have found is that most of the time the individuals that do just the exercise over the long-term, we are looking ten months out, do better than either the group that is on the pharmaco drug or the combination of exercise and drug as well.

To me, what better place to be if I know that I have it within myself to be able to create the chemicals that are going to create wellbeing? That’s why that research is so promising when you look at that. Not everybody knows but certainly, it speaks to all of the neurochemicals that get released in our brains when we exercise. I would agree with you. Exercise is not simply about, “I’m going to get stronger or healthier in that regard,” but all of the benefits that come along with that. I know myself. I’m a runner in the morning. On the days that I don’t run, I tend to get a little more irritated during the day. It doesn’t feel the same.

I joke with people all the time. It would have been nice if the Lord would have said, “You can exercise for a couple of months and then you will permanently keep those changes forever.” Sometimes he makes us work a little bit. It’s great for character development. It’s interesting because it truly is that longevity of consistent exercise that makes a big difference. Our clients are stuck in a state of fight or flight constantly. We may get on stage or whatever it is that’s going to pop up our adrenaline and we are going to have the butterflies and all that stuff. Most of our population that we work with are stuck in there from things that don’t bother you and me. They may come into a gym and hear a loud noise. You and I ignore that. On the other hand, they’ve got overloaded. They came in overloaded and they’ve got even more overloaded from a loud noise.

All of that produces an overload because of the stress hormone. We build up excess weight in the midsection. It’s this chronic problem. The exercise for this population helped you. You said you feel better after you run. It helps the body adapt better to stress. Some of those changes are permanent. In other words, you do exercise for a certain amount of time and those changes become permanent. Your body has permanently learned how to better adjust to stress, which is amazing for this population.

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There’s work that I do in regards to stress management. We talk about cortisol, inflammation and all of those lists of negative impacts that those have on our system, that most don’t recognize how detrimental that can be to our health. As we are on this topic of exercise and wellbeing, I think of our family friend and their son as he’s getting older. He’s in a mainstream school but that presents its own challenges in terms of things around bullying and acceptance. I would think from a competence level as well what you do provide a lift for participants, as well in that age. I wonder if you could speak to that.

Without a question, it for sure helps. I would be dishonest to say it solves the problem. Bullying is going to happen either way with or without the services that we provide. Bullying is still unfortunately going to happen. On the flip side, what we found is that one of the biggest benefits that the people that we have worked with see is that their confidence level goes up. There’s nothing worse than someone who has no confidence, no self-esteem and then they get bullied. There are a lot of dark stories of people committing suicide. There are these nasty stories. You turn that around and you get to work with someone in the gym setting. You get to build them up in a very inclusive and very accepting facility.

The way our company operates is we share gyms with other facilities all over North Texas. We have about fifteen gyms. In other words, any one of those fifteen gyms doesn’t belong to us but we can use them at any time. That means that other people also use them. We have made a big partnership with the corporation called Anytime Fitness. Their members have been so incredibly accepting. We have never once had any problems with bullying or anything in our community. As a result, these kids may not necessarily always feel accepted at school but at least they know they are going to be accepted somewhere. That often is what gets them through.

I published a show not that long ago on belongingness and the power of belongingness. There’s so much research that backs up that we need connections. That’s what I was imagining happening with these kids as well. They are all in a place where there’s a sense of acceptance. There’s a support group that we know how important that is for us in our own wellbeing. It goes back thousands of years. The worst thing you could do to somebody is you put them outside of the tribe. What happens to them? That’s a death sentence. It’s a different death that we die when we are pushed outside of a group and we don’t have that sense of belongingness. That’s where I see the work that you do provides that for individuals that may feel, “I’m not connected with anybody outside.”

I can personally relate to not feeling like I belonged. I did graduate high school with my diploma but I did not walk the stage. That was very intentional. The reason I didn’t walk the stage is similar to a lot of kids out there, I was bullied because of the learning condition I had and the behavior struggles that came with that. I’ve got made fun of a lot. I knew that if I walked the stage that I was going to get names called from the audience to that stage when I walked at the stage. I said, “Forget it. I’m not walking that stage. Mail me my diploma.” That’s what happened. Following high school, I fell into a severe depression. There was a point when I was suicidal. I graduated high school in 2007. When I was saved and met Jesus in 2009, I was on the brink of ending my life. As a matter of fact, the prayer that I prayed before the life-changing event happened was, “Lord, if you don’t show me you are real, if you don’t show me something, then I’m done.”

Shortly after that, somebody invited me to church from the gym and that’s where I gave my life to Christ. Over time, I was healed from that depression. I know what it feels like to not feel accepted. It is the absolute worst feeling. One of the things that made me feel accepted was starting to go to church with other like-minded people. Ultimately, Rob became my mentor. He’s somebody that truly believed in me, who knew the real me. We all at the church believe, “We are doing great. Everything is awesome in life.” That’s about 99.99% of churchgoers. The people that really know us behind the scenes and they know what we struggle with when they believe in you, that’s when you truly feel like you belong.

I say this quite often. We are like icebergs. People only see about 10% of us. Generally, it’s the 10% that we like to have them see. It’s all the other baggage that we carry that’s under the surface. It’s only those people that are willing to invest in us, that are willing to stick their head under the water and see everything else that goes on.

What’s funny about that is we think we hide everything so well but what everybody is not saying is they know the 90% we are trying to hide. They just don’t tell us to our face.

When you are telling these stories about expectation, I think of one of the things that I will often try and live by myself, which what I call living on the edge. Living on the edge for me is about one expectation. I have to believe in where I want to go. What you speak to in terms of what you provide for those that work with you is that expectation that they can get where they want to go but with that, comes the work. That’s the part that we often get fooled on. It’s the Law of Attraction but I don’t have to do anything to get there. Think good thoughts and everything falls into place. We miss the discipline part of that. That’s the D of that saying, “You’ve got to do the work. You’ve got to put the time in and expect certainly but also set goals. Feel the pain. Do the work.”

The next piece of that is about gratitude. It’s about being grateful for where you are, for maybe an advance that you made that’s small. That’s a dance that we live in. It’s between expectation and gratitude of being grateful for where we are. The last part of that is around what I call empathy. To me, it is about belongingness. It’s about concern and care for other people. When we live in that space, we are being for others in a sense. It’s your business but you see. I hear and I watch the deep sense of concern and wellbeing or goodwill that you have for those people that you work with. That makes such a difference.

Even though a lot of the people we work with are nonverbal, they picked up. They know a lot more than we think. We may think they don’t understand what we are saying sometimes. I don’t know the exact stats but I want to say that 70% to 80% of communication is nonverbal anyway. That’s something that my business coach constantly drills into me, body language and everything. You can truly tell if somebody cares about another person just by their body language. You don’t have to use any words. It’s all in the body language. Are they fully engaged with that person when they are working with them? They looked at them in the eyes. They are in the gym. When the TV is on, stare at the TV. What is it that they are doing? That speaks volumes. The person they are working with, in my case may have autism. They may not necessarily pick up things the way we think they do but they are always watching. Deep down inside, they know if the person cares genuinely or if they don’t care.

We listen on four different levels. One is we listen with our ears, the words, the tone of voice, which can tell a lot. We listen with our eyes in terms of body language, facial expressions, where the position of our body is. There’s a gentleman, Joe Navarro, who wrote a book called What Every Body Is Saying. He spent twenty years profiling people. He’s an ex-FBI agent. What was interesting and what you talked about is you can tell if somebody is interested in you by how their body posture is. He would say that the number one tell that they would watch for is what somebody was doing with their feet. What I mean by that is the direction of somebody’s feet. If they are interested in you, are they facing you or are they looking away? If they are looking away, not all the time but you would think, “This person is not interested in engaging in me. They are looking for the way out of here.” Whereas when we are fully present with somebody, our feet are towards them. It has a different feel to it.

Special Needs: Exercise helps the body adapt to stress. You exercise for a certain amount of time and those changes become permanent. Your body has now permanently learned how to better adjust to stress.


It’s funny you mentioned the feet example because I’ve got a great business coach locally and those are the exact examples he used. If you want to know who the leader is in the room, look at everybody’s feet and who they are pointed towards in the room. If you want to see if they are interested in your conversation, see if their feet are pointed towards you or the door right next to you. That’s a real quick indication. Are they in a running stance? They are trying to run out of there and get out of there as quickly as they can. Interestingly, you say that. I will check out that book as a matter of fact.

It’s a very interesting book and there are a lot of PDFs. There’s a PDF in there that goes through all of these. What to me is interesting about is it is mostly nonverbal, our communication. What this book speaks to is the autonomic nervous system, that these are things that we don’t even control ourselves. We can hide the eye movement from a standpoint or our facial expression but there are certain things that they bleed out of us. We don’t have control over them. They will take over to try and pacify us when we are in uncomfortable situations. It’s important to, I believe become a student of that stuff, try and understand because it makes us able to communicate on a more authentic level when we can understand where people are coming from.

I’ve got two kids. Another thing that my business coach teaches me a lot is mirroring. He said, “You want to see the best mirrors in the world? Your kids will copy everything that you do, even though there are no words involved. At a very early age, they were mirroring everything you do”. My mentor will tell me stories where he will go to restaurants and he will sit adjacent to somebody. Without looking at them directly, he will start. If they pick up their fork and eat a bite, he will pick up his fork and he’s going to bite it. If they get on their phone and text, he will get on their phone and text. All of a sudden, here’s what happens.

Without making any kind of eye contact, that other person will start gravitating towards him. On many occasions, what he said was once that person was finished eating, they would come up to him and say, “I feel like I already know you. Do we know each other?” I was blown away when he told me that. My mentor has taken hundreds of hours of mirroring classes. The good thing about it is I can’t lie to him. If I try to lie, within a minute, he knows my mind from body language. It’s like what you said, Patrick. We are not even aware of it.

That’s why it’s what everybody is saying. The idea behind this is we oftentimes try and pacify ourselves. That’s why in the work that I will do with individuals, I say, “When we are talking about trying to recognize people’s body language is going to who you know best. The next time that they are angry, watch what they do with their body or the color of their skin. Do they flush when they get angry?” You will start to see that there are tells that we all have, whether we are upset, frustrated, angry or happy that when we are in that state, we default to certain things. To me, that’s about being curious about what those are. Your story to me is so inspiring when I hear your own background. You had a mentor. You had somebody that said, “This is not who you are.” I’m wondering as well aside from that and certainly, your faith, which clearly is strong, what other things create the success in you or that you look to and think, “This is what’s made me or got me to where I am?”

As I said, I was saved in 2009. It didn’t take long before I feel like I’ve got what I would call my life verse. There are hundreds of thousands of verses in the Bible and through some prayer and reading, there was a specific verse that I felt was supposed to guide my life for me, especially with how difficult of a time I have had my whole life focusing. My struggle since I was born with ADHD was focusing on one thing and not getting distracted. My life verse is in a book called Matthew. It’s Matthew 6:33. The verse says, “Seek first the kingdom of God and all of these things will be added unto you.” I’m shortening the verse.

When I read that verse, it was like a light bulb went off because I thought you are telling me that if I just do one thing, that everything else will work out. That was a relief to me because my whole life, I have been trying to do all the different things. Anytime there’s a shiny ball, I’m running after it. That is totally my personality. I read the scripture in ’09 that says, “All I have to do is seek after one thing.” My life was transformed by that verse. My life became a pursuit of doing everything that I could to make God first in my life. That is a huge and lifelong process.

The reason I mentioned that is because my ultimate definition of success is seeking first the kingdom of God with character and integrity in everything that I do. That breaks down to look with my family. What does it look like to seek first the kingdom of God in my business and with character and integrity? That’s broken down in all those different areas but it starts with how I start my day. We have a family that believes in timing. We believe that’s biblical. We have always given the first 10% of our income to the church. We don’t give the last 10%. In other words, we don’t pay all of our bills then tithe. As a first fruit principle, we give the 10% first. Even if we don’t know if we are going to be able to pay our mortgage or our other bills, we are still going to give 10% first. That’s how I see God first with our finances. With my time, this is very personal to me. I like to spend about the first 10% of my day seeking God.

What I do is I wake up. I will have a cup of coffee and I come to the office that I’m in. I will spend time and solitude with God. It varies in length. It could be 30 minutes. It could be two hours. It depends on the day and how things are flowing. That is all ultimately what has brought me the most success. I love this verse in the scripture. I believe it’s also in Matthew. He promises that if we seek him privately, he will reward us publicly. I’m here privately when the sun is not up. Nobody is here in the office. Nobody knows I’m here other than my wife, who’s still sleeping when I do that because I get up very early. Nobody knows about it except for me, God and my wife. Knowing that he is pleased with what I am doing for seeking him first is my true definition of success. That’s what ultimately gives me success during the day.

We talked about the certification program. You asked about my certification program. Would you believe when I told you that one day when I was having quiet time in this office, God gave me the idea to do that? I never wanted to go public at all with our certification program. I was advised to not do it. One of my mentors said, “Don’t give away any of your trade secrets.” One day, I’m having quiet time in 2019 and God says, “I want you to go public with this,” and so I did. What’s interesting about that is I didn’t know we were going to have a video go viral a few months later. The video that went viral had hundreds of millions of viewers. All over the world have seen our certification program. What’s funny about that is if I would have ignored that advice from God or maybe not had time with him in the morning, I would have never have done that certification or if I did, it would have been later. We would have missed out on a global opportunity for this website to get exposure. That’s one of many examples.

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I will make it really practical about parenting. We haven’t been able to get my son Judah to stop crying. We have tried everything. I’m in my quiet time and I said, “Lord, what do we need to do to get our son to stop crying?” He said, “Right up to his face, play praise music.” When we went home, we’ve got the praise music going. Immediately, the crying stopped. We haven’t had a problem since as long as the praise music is going on. I haven’t even talked about money in the bank, by the way. There’s a part of the success that includes money but these are the real areas that make me successful, my family, keeping my priorities in order, seeking first the kingdom of God, as a parent, parenting Judah and stewarding my business, knowing that it’s not my business. It’s his business. It’s a loan to me while I’m on this thing on Earth.

We have this conversation before in terms of bringing up God on this. It was interesting. I consider myself somebody that has a very strong faith. I have my own rituals. I read from a book that has different passages in it. That’s how I get inspiration. One out of Matthew that I will look to often is about asking, seeking and knocking. That’s one that most will know about but there’s one of my signature tags, which is around Galatians. The whole idea for me is an inspiration. It says along the lines of, “Don’t stop toiling about doing good that in due time, you will reap it.” I believe that.

My faith is my faith. I don’t push it on anybody else but if somebody wants to talk about it, then I’m into talking about it. I try and respect. As you had asked me when we started this call, where are you on this? I won’t go anywhere. For me, I have had my own challenges growing up and struggles. I look back on all of those things. For me, faith in God, I couldn’t be where I am if it wasn’t for that. Personally, that’s my strength. I’m there with you on that. It’s important. That’s my piece. That’s nobody else’s piece.

I love the verse, by the way. That’s a great life verse that you’ve got tagged there in Galatians. It’s awesome.

It hits me about don’t give up. To me, it’s common sense stuff of don’t give up. When I read it that way, it’s like, “I’ve got to keep grinding on here.” It’s important. Daniel, I want to tell you. I appreciate you taking the time to do this, to have a conversation with me about all the great work that you are doing. I believe that our paths crossed each other for this reason. I’m grateful that you took the time to be able to share what you are doing and where you are going with me.

I’m thankful for the opportunity to be able to put a little foot on your platform. I’m excited about all the people that are potentially going to get to hear this. Even if I take away one thing, it was worth it. You never know, that one thing could be the game-changer. I’m reading a great book called The ONE Thing. It takes one thing, one focus. That’s it.

I’m sure you do public speaking as well. One of the things that I will do when I’m on my way to an event is I say a prayer that there’s somebody in that audience that needs to hear the message. I don’t need it to be everybody. Somebody in the audience needs to hear what I’m going to say. I ask that they would be open to that. That’s it. It’s not about me. It’s about them. I would think you are in that same light when you say that.

That’s how Billy Graham got started. It was exactly his story. I believe he got saved at a crusade. He was one of the greatest evangelists of all time. You never know the next Billy Graham or the next whoever it is. You never know the next creator of the next Apple Company. You never know what kind of inspiration can lead to those kinds of things.

I think of you in terms of somebody that might listen to this that’s in that dark place that’s struggling that says, “I’m not going there.” Thank you for that.

You are welcome.

Have a great day. I appreciate it.

Thank you so much, Patrick.

Thanks. Take care.

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